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1. 1  Nathan T. Freeman  | 7/27/2004 3:27:22 PM

   Because said email sender is as good at anonymously trolling as she is at evaluating messaging systems?

   Actually, she's probably better at trolling.

1. 2  Volker Weber http://vowe.net/ | 7/27/2004 3:34:46 PM

   Go here { Link }

   Then try some last names.

1. 3  Ed Brill www.edbrill.com | 7/27/2004 4:24:23 PM

1. 4  Chris LeRoy http://www.brainbent.com | 7/27/2004 4:38:37 PM

   how sad...

   It's a shame that there is this kind of unethical misrepresentation in a realm that one would hope would maintain some kind of professional standard.

   Chris

1. 5  Paul Mooney http://www.pmooney.net | 7/27/2004 4:49:19 PM

   Too much spare time on some people's hands if they think that commenting like that can, in any way, be a positive thing. This is the most balanced blog I know of. Ed, maybe you should take some mud slinging lessons ;-)

1. 6  Ed Brill www.edbrill.com | 7/27/2004 5:07:21 PM

   I'm not sure that I am totally balanced, but at least I am open and honest about where my biases lie.

   This is all more fun than Buga Difino!

1. 7  Mark Hughes  | 7/27/2004 5:26:01 PM

   In this day and age it is not surprising that when someone’s work is criticized they lash out instead of looking to improve their work. They just need to realize it's not personal it's business.

1. 8  Mark Hughes  | 7/27/2004 5:27:31 PM

   Did you change the font's? Can't read anymore too small

1. 9  keiot  | 7/27/2004 5:36:57 PM

   I am flattered that an exec at a $140 billion company spends the time to cross check my IP addresses from a blog..but I think you're missing the point.

   The numbers speak for themselves, Lotus revenue down 2%, MS Exchange revenue up over 20%...you may not like the analysis, but it's hard to disagree with the numbers.

   You're right, it's just a quarter..not enough time to call it a trend...but the difference between the two 8Ks leads me to think the analysis is more on target than Lotus would like to admit.

   Another thing - It's incorrect to assume that because the e-mail and blog entry addresses match, they are both from the same person. they are not - perhaps just the same ISP.

1. 10  Ed Brill www.edbrill.com | 7/27/2004 5:44:31 PM

   would you like me to post the details here, Sara?

   You are also comparing LOTUS as a brand with Exchange, a single product. The comparison of Lotus Notes/Domino revenue to Exchange revenue would be more interesting, but IBM doesn't disclose revenues at the product level, sorry.

   Also, you might want to check your facts on IBM overall revenue. It's not $140 billion, and not even close. I guess that inaccuracy is just typical of your analysis.

1. 11  Mark Hughes  | 7/27/2004 5:44:59 PM

   what service providor would that be keiot?

1. 12  keiot  | 7/27/2004 5:47:09 PM

   $140 billion refers to IBM market cap, which, as of NYSE close today is ~$144 billion.

   BTW, this is not Sara.

1. 13  Ed Brill www.edbrill.com | 7/27/2004 5:52:00 PM

   I guess I'd better call Sara and let her know that someone's using her PC to troll my blog.

1. 14  Bruce Elgort http://www.BruceElgort.com | 7/27/2004 5:54:38 PM

   That's funny. I just tried to email keiot at the email specificed and got this:

   "Error transferring to mx1.HOTMAIL.COM; SMTP Protocol Returned a Permanent Error 550 Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable"

   The fun continues.

1. 15  Mark Hughes  | 7/27/2004 5:58:23 PM

   What's the domain on the nslookup of the ip? Fairly spacific i would guess. And the MX record of the connecting host point's to? Fun tool to play with IP addresses with

   { Link }

1. 16  Ed Brill www.edbrill.com | 7/27/2004 6:02:56 PM

   and I suppose could be hooked to a DSL router -- but the IP address still ultimately matches the one in the e-mail header, within 24 hours. Most ISPs give pretty much permanent leases on IP addresses to DSL subscribers, so I'm not buying it.

   Someone at the same IP address is trolling -- whether it's Sara or not doesn't really matter. But the wording of the posts pretty much gives it away anyway.

1. 17  Chris LeRoy http://www.brainbent.com | 7/27/2004 6:13:51 PM

   This is quickly shaping up to be the most 'interesting' thing to happen today. And to think, we all get a ring side seat! WHOO HOO!

   Would someone please grab me up a hot dog when they head up the concession stand?

   Chris

   --thinks Keiot should have used the name "Shrek"

   oh wait, Shrek was an ogre...

1. 18  Volker Weber http://vowe.net/ | 7/27/2004 6:24:14 PM

   Ed, I have sufficient proof that this address still points to the same host.

   An e-mail received from an IP-address by the ISP, an e-mail sent to the same address generates a bunch of referrers from the same IP-address. Then a couple of badly cloaked comments from "Keiot" and "Joe Silverstone". A bogus email address. All from the same ADSL line.

   Question: Which Nobel Laureate said this? "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

1. 19  Mark Hughes  | 7/27/2004 6:31:12 PM

   a professional analyst of messaging and collaboration would know how easy it is to track these things...

1. 20  Shrek  | 7/27/2004 6:38:08 PM

   Wow, good detective work guys. So what are you folks going to take away from today's blog? "analyst firm defends its own work?"

1. 21  Colin Pretorius http://colinp.dominodeveloper.net/ | 7/27/2004 7:00:39 PM

   Uh, no. "Analyst firm has a slight integrity issue" is probably closer to the mark.

1. 22  Volker Weber http://vowe.net/ | 7/27/2004 7:03:27 PM

   Mark, the lack of professional conduct is actually not so much in the inability to understand simple technical underpinnings.

   This case is like an iceberg. You are only seeing a few percent of what is really going on. The firm desperately tries to silence voices. The more it tries, the more people look. If this continues, I see dead people.

1. 23  Andrew Pollack (yep, its real) http://www.thenorth.com/apblog  | 7/27/2004 7:16:49 PM

   I see an analyst with a firm whose opinion has gone back and forth so often that I've had customers ask me why the same firm is being used to bolster both sides of the argument. I had to tell them to check the dates on the reports.

   I see an analyst who defended a report by using a bogus name, and then when called on it lied outright.

   I see a public catfight in which only one cat will admit to having taken a side.

   I see an analyst without the slightest idea what the difference in the two competing strategies is, and instead simply taking numbers in one end, and producing as byproduct in the way the human body will do, a resultant mash of output -- nothing is added to the end product at all, what■s left had less value than what went in.

   Tell me Sarah, do you have an actual prediction for what percentage of the corporate knowledge worker workforce will be using a rich client from IBM/Lotus and what percentage will be using the rich workstation publishing model from Microsoft in say, 2 years when these things start to mature?

   Do you have any idea what I'm even asking?

   Sarah, if you're really Sarah, for defending your work with a pseudonym you can be forgiven-- we've all been there. For doing it with two different names, well, you may loose a lot of credibility but it happens. For continued lies and obviously false representations of non bias, you've lost me.

   As far as I'm concerned you're in the Forbes technology section of credibility.

   If you worked for me, that third bit would have just cost you your job.

1. 24  Shrek  | 7/27/2004 8:06:21 PM

   First of all, again, this is not Sara.

   The personal comments, name calling, etc. can be expected...i mean, look where i'm posting too. But it is unfortunate that for all the attacks you make, and detective work you do, you fail to look at the hard evidence.

   Again, Lotus revenue down 2%, Exchange up over 20%...not analysis, SEC reported FACT. You can assail me all day if you want - i don't expect any less. But that won't make a dollar more for Lotus - or a dollar less for Exchange.

   Lotus loved Radicati when the firm's TCO was published - in fact, it's still posted on their site:

   { Link }

   with a big quote from....who?

   keiot - out!

1. 25  Andrew Pollack http://www.thenorth.com/apblog | 7/27/2004 8:24:14 PM

   Look liar (you are in fact, a liar, having lied on this site) if I wanted to name call, I'd start with that and toss in something about self important over hyped wholly owned sock puppets -- but that would be mean.

   Regardless of how Lotus is doing against Microsoft -- and I'm the first one to throw stones at Ed when I think the direction is broken -- its entirely outside the fact that you've lied publically, repeatedly, and continuously and thus have no personal creditbility. Its also outside the fact that your report takes in numbers and spews out the same numbers without any added value.

   We can debate endlessly the minutia over what you compare exchange to. Comparing exchange to Lotus, or Exchange the Domino Mail Client licenses (more accurate, but figures aren't as easy to get, so why bother) or perhaps Lotus to Microsoft's business applications division (or whatever today's name is) which may also have validity.

   That debate uterly fails to have any value to anyone unless we're playing baseball. Tell me which corporation's stated and published direction is --in your opinion-- going to succeed over the next two years and which will fail. Which choice should I make, all things being equal.

   Since clearly both products will still exist and still be supported in one way or another -- which will cost me more over the next 5 years to keep current?

   Your supposed to be an analyst, for F** sake make a prediction. Grow a spine and say something in a written document that somone can go back to and call you on.

   If I had to pick one of these two based on your report, what do I do, go with one because its had better revenue? Unless I'm worried the other will dissapear or be unsupported, how is that meaningful in any way?

   Get over yourself. Anyone with a word processor gets to be an "analyst" today.

   Even me.

1. 26  Bruce Elgort http://www.bruceelgort.com | 7/27/2004 8:35:53 PM

1. 27  Chris LeRoy http://www.brainbent.com | 7/27/2004 8:40:50 PM

   And if you had read the March 2003 report, as I have, you would have seen that IBM/Lotus was a paying contributor to the report.

1. 28  Chris LeRoy http://www.brainbent.com | 7/27/2004 8:54:17 PM

   And if you had read the March 2003 report, as I have, you would have seen that IBM/Lotus was a paying contributor to the report. And in no way would Radicati want to hurt their bottom line by not being non-bias to the contributor. That would be bad business and hurt the bottom line. The 2003 TCO review, which I have read, was very well written and fair to all products reviewed. Much unlike this latest piece.

   Which brings me back to one of my original questions... who coughed up for the latest report? With such emphasis on evil IBM and angelic Microsoft, does this not potentially 'imply' that he who foots the bill buys a higher grades by reason of omission?

1. 29  Volker Weber http://vowe.net/ | 7/27/2004 9:07:36 PM

   Let's assume for a second that the keiot/shrek/silverstone individual is not Sara. This is actually a fair assumption since she cannot possibly be that unprofessional, or can she? Since without a doubt the individual is posting from the the same IP that Sara sends/receives her mail from, then (s)he must be one of the young ones at the firm. And that means the ground under his/her feet is getting warmer by the minute. Very uncomfortable, indeed. :-)

1. 30  dgg  | 7/27/2004 9:51:06 PM

   Well-stated, Andrew!

   To reiterate a key point (IMO) . . .

   revenue != satisfaction

   revenue != reliability

   revenue != scalability

   etc, etc.

   If I'm making a business decision, these are the types of questions for which I want answers.

   All that aside, we should all have learned by now that revenue is a number which many companies regularly "massage". So if I'm making a business decision in today's environment on which software to buy, it's highly likely that it won't even enter into the equation. If I'm deciding whether or not to buy or short the stock, sure, but (probably) not if I'm interested in buying software, other things being equal.

1. 31  Ed Brill www.edbrill.com | 7/27/2004 10:06:36 PM

   You missed my point about revenues -- Lotus as a whole down 2% does not mean Notes/Domino. I say again, one quarter does not a trend make...and in MS's case especially, there's a difference between bundled CAL shelfware and actual use of the product.

1. 32  Nathan T. Freeman  | 7/27/2004 10:14:35 PM

   Actually, Volker, it's technically feasible that the individual isn't using the machine that Sara sends mail from. This could be an extraordinarily elaborate man-in-the-middle spoof. It could be that someone is intercepting the email traffic between Ed and Sara, and relaying Sara's mail to Ed with falsified headers so as to attempt to discredit her.

   Now, normally, I would consider such a proposition virtually impossible. But since Sara apparently uses Microsoft's messaging products, and considers them secure, it's actually downright LIKELY.

1. 33  Christopher Byrne http://www.controlscaddy.com/ | 7/27/2004 11:02:38 PM

   please feel free to see my take on this at { Link }

1. 34  Ed Brill http://www.edbrill.com | 7/27/2004 11:43:10 PM

   Thanks Chris.

   It's been a long day, so I think it's best to sleep on it rather than add more thoughts at the moment (and I notice you turned comments off on that posting). This whole thread started after Europe (mostly) signed off for the day, so we have a whole new set of thoughts to look forward to in the morning.

1. 35  Ed Brill www.edbrill.com | 7/28/2004 12:04:21 AM

   Thank you to google:

   These two links seem to be related --

   { Link }

   "Friday, June 11, 2004

   fyi, new e-mail address: teneyt@gmail.com"

   { Link }

   " Teney Takahashi

   Analyst"

1. 36  volker Weber  | 7/28/2004 1:56:23 AM

1. 37  Volker Weber http://vowe.net | 7/28/2004 2:03:50 AM

   Keiot is "cleaning up" { Link }

   "Sorry, the page you have requested could not be found or is no longer public."

   All jigsaw pieces fit together just nicely.

   Re Link #2: Am I getting old? These analysts look pretty young to me.

1. 38  Colman Carpenter http://carpe.homedns.org | 7/28/2004 3:10:50 AM

   Wow....what a lot to wake up to this morning (on t'other side of the pond) :)

   Andrew, I must say that I think you are being very generous when you say "for defending your work with a pseudonym you can be forgiven". Surely any analyst worth their salt would be prepared, nay proud, to stand by what's been written and *published* by their company. One wonders why keiot/shrek is not ? I hope we'll get an official response from Radicati on this sometime soon, although I think the question of who funded the exercise in the first place will remain unanswered ;)

   The desperate clinging on to the pretty irrelevant revenue figures strikes me as a pretty p*^s poor attempt at spin (i.e. managing the message). We've seen a lot of it over the last 7 years here with the current Labout government, so one gets to recognise it pretty readily :) As someone once said (I forget who and can't be bothered to check :), "there are lies, damned lies and statistics".....I'm sure Ed could come up with pretty impressive figures for Domino v Exchange in a slightly different arena (seats, maybe ?), but again what would that prove ?

   Finally, "Grow a spine and say something in a written document that somone can go back to and call you on."

   ROFL. Back on form immediately Andrew...well said !

1. 39  Eric Mack www.ericmackonline.com | 7/28/2004 6:09:07 AM

   "Here are three questions I would like to know the answers to..."

   { Link }

1. 40  Volker Weber http://vowe.net/ | 7/28/2004 6:56:37 AM

   The 4th link from this google query { Link } leads us to

   itrs.scu.edu/mcalkins/spring99/07/busethics/keiot.html { Link }

   This links to a poorly designed web page that loads a humongous WAV file and that claims it is "Best viewed at 1280 x 1024 resolution with Microsoft Internet Explorer".

   Now remove the page name and you get here: { Link }

   The "E-MAIL US" link leads you here: { Link }

   So it is rather likely that Keiot is not Sara but rather Teney Takahashi. "His expertise focuses on messaging, anti-spam, security, and unified communications."

   Security? ;-)

   Teney, you may want to read this: { Link }

1. 41  Andrew Pollack http://www.thenorth.com/apblog | 7/28/2004 7:00:04 AM

   it was your very own statesman, Winston Churchill who said

   "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics." My second favorite Churchill quote (the favorite being here: { Link } )

   Here in the states, the best we can do lately is this one from the floor of the Congress:

   In this case, speaking to Keiot, I'd rather quote Dick Cheney.

1. 42  Volker Weber http://vowe.net/ | 7/28/2004 7:27:26 AM

   Looks like a good year ago Keiot was Teney@maxonic.com

   { Link }

1. 43  Colman Carpenter http://carpe.homedns.org | 7/28/2004 7:54:00 AM

   ...being an Irishman living in the UK I might take exception to being linked in such fashion to Churchill ;)

   But I do agree about the other quote....how great it would be to be that quick with such magnificent put-downs ? :)

1. 44  Chris LeRoy http://www.brainbent.com | 7/28/2004 8:15:46 AM

   ROFLMAO!

   This has been the most fun I think I have had since the wife got pregnant! ;) (Ok, so I need to get out more...)

   I had a boss tell me once to surround myself with people smarter than myself. I suppose this is such a case. Unless, of course, one uses a psuedonym that he has used on several occassions.

   Keiot, you asked what we are all taking away from this? Let me tell you...

   1) An analysis is only worth the research that goes into it, AND an author who isn't afraid to "man-up" to his/her work and defend it based upon facts and figures that are *relevant* to the discussion.

   2) Never, EVER, use a psuedonym to discuss my work if the work was not penned under the same name. People don't like trolls. Ogres are cool, they can make candles from earwax, but trolls suck.

   3) That no one here cared enough to bring back one lousy hot dog. :(

   Chris (the real Chris, nothing artificial... no additive, no preservatives...)

1. 45  Christopher Byrne http://www.controlscaddy.com/ | 7/28/2004 8:18:24 AM

   I had inadvertently turned them off. The posting is at

   { Link }

1. 46  Peter O’Kelly www.3cinterop.com | 7/28/2004 8:19:44 AM

   "As someone who has been involved in the Notes community for a while and as an industry analyst with Burton Group, here are some quick impressions"

   { Link }

1. 47  The Rusty Spigot www.realoneil.com/rusty | 7/28/2004 8:52:20 AM

   "Yes- this is nerd scandal- but it's interesting to me."

   { Link }

1. 48  Bruce Elgort http://www.bruceelgort.com | 7/28/2004 9:01:49 AM

   A think Bonj sums up the fate of the of the Radicati Group after this little fiasco with this:

   { Link }

1. 49  Ben Poole http://www.benpoole.com | 7/28/2004 9:12:19 AM

   "... what is more, they have something to say about the recent Radicati hoop-la."

   { Link }

1. 50  keiot  | 7/28/2004 9:20:17 AM

   Geeze guys, does anyone sleep here? 45 comments? an all time ed brill dot com record.

   now, i am flattered that you folks would stay up till the wee hours of the morning searching for, it appears, my college 'business ethics' project.

   But for the moment, i'll have to take leave from this wonderful group.

   Why don't we all take a little break here from the googling 'keiot', and get on with our normal lives. See that lady next to you...that's your wife...make some conversation...see those little people inthe room next door, those are your kids...take a break from the computer and play with them a bit...don't forget to feed.

   If you want to get in touch with me, there are 3 e-mail addresses in this thread that are purportedly mine.

   keiot - out!

1. 51  Ed Brill  | 7/28/2004 9:20:27 AM

   Si usted puede leer espa■ol, mi colega Andres Gorostidi tiene algo que decir sobre esto...

   { Link }

1. 52  Nathan T. Freeman  | 7/28/2004 9:30:58 AM

   "Geeze guys, does anyone sleep here?"

   This is an international community. Many of these posts came from Europe. Ever heard of Europe? It's this small continent on the far side of the Atlantic that was the birthplace of most of western civilization. While this might seem strange to you, the sun actually rises there BEFORE it does here in the States; earlier by about 7 hours on the east coast, 10 hours on the west coast.

   I explain all this to you because, as Radicati's messaging analyst, I figure you've probably never researched basic geography before.

   "45 comments? an all time ed brill dot com record."

   Wear it as a badge of pride. You earned it.

   "now, i am flattered that you folks would stay up till the wee hours of the morning searching for, it appears, my college 'business ethics' project."

   That's because we all REALLY appreciate irony. How'd you do in that class, anyway?

   "But for the moment, i'll have to take leave from this wonderful group."

   Why? Backside feeling a bit red from your whipping?

   "Why don't we all take a little break here from the googling 'keiot', and get on with our normal lives."

   Because outting shills posing as analyst who are taking bribes to extend Microsoft's faux grassroots marketing strategy IS my normal life.

   "If you want to get in touch with me, there are 3 e-mail addresses in this thread that are purportedly mine."

   So this seems tantamount to a confession at this point. I wonder what Sara herself will say at this point. Well, maybe Ballmer will give her a job now.

   "keiot - out!"

   Out out damn spot.

1. 53  Christopher Byrne http://www.controlscaddy.com/ | 7/28/2004 9:32:35 AM

   How ironic. A project on business ethics...

   My personal blacklist now includes

   The Former IT Staff at Oklahoma State University

   The Radicati Group

   Anyone named Keiot that does not even look old enough to

   shave much less claim to be an expert and does not like

   to be held accountable for his actions/writing

   My Latin teacher in HS (ok, he really was a cool guy I just

   hated Latin)

   The "rat" troll on LDD

1. 54  Richard Schwartz http://smokey.rhs.com/web/blog/rhs.nsf | 7/28/2004 9:38:47 AM

   I was going to say it was Disraeli, but some quick googling shows that it may or may not have been. The line "Lies, damned lies, and statistics" is sometimes (but erroneously) attributed to Mark Twain, who used it in his autobiography. The exact Twain reference, however, is "The remark attributed to Disraeli would often apply with justice and force: 'There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics'". It's not clear, however, that Disraeli ever actually said it, as there's no contemporary record of it. The first known publication of the quote was apparently in 1895, and it refers to its origin with a "wise Statesman". Churchiil, at age 21 in 1895, could have said it, but he was not yet considered either wise or a Statesman. Disraeli, at that time, was definitely considered wise and a Statesman, (not to mention deceased). See { Link }

   -rich

1. 55  Christopher Byrne http://www.controlscaddy.com/ | 7/28/2004 9:49:06 AM

   I just sent Sara this email (with a cc to the 'mystery' man):

   Sara,

   I do not know you but I have learned quite a bit about your company and have a growing disdain for it.

   Is this really the type person you want working for you?

   { Link }

   I invite you (and the employee cc'ed here) to read my blog entry on ethics:

   { Link }

   Best regards,

   Christopher Byrne

1. 56  Colman Carpenter http://carpe.homedns.org | 7/28/2004 10:11:30 AM

   Guess what, the Notes/Domino community is exactly that, a community. Not a bunch of people who happen to use the same messaging platform and have the same problems with security, scalability, security, standards and security (and I'm not talking Domino now).

   Anyone imagine the Exchange 'community' reacting the same way ? Doubt it :)

1. 57  Colin Pretorius  | 7/28/2004 10:35:32 AM

   " The Domino community have been pulling a recent Radicati analysis of the messaging market to pieces."

   { Link }

1. 58  Colman Carpenter http://carpe.homedns.org | 7/28/2004 11:09:55 AM

   "It's all hotting up..."

   { Link }

1. 59  Chris Castellani  | 7/28/2004 1:21:40 PM

   Interesting article in CIO Magazine a few months back.

   { Link }

   "Ironically, the IT analysts have been unable to do for themselves what CIOs have paid them billions of dollars over the years to do: forecast a market trend."

1. 60  Nicholas Partridge  | 7/28/2004 6:06:18 PM

   Another quote from that article:

   "For example, analysts got younger just when CIOs started yearning for more veteran IT analysts with real-world experience to help with complicated integration projects. Many IT analyst companies got rid of their most experienced analysts in favor of less expensive "newbies out of Cornell," as one ex-analyst put it. Norma LaRosa, president of Kensington Group, another company that tracks analysts, reports that in the past decade, the average experience of analysts has shrunk from more than 10 years to about three. "

1. 61  Paul Mooney http://www.pmooney.net | 7/28/2004 6:16:37 PM

   Jeez, I missed out on this trail. I posted a comment last night and come back to it, and we are at comment 59! Well Done Keiot! How to offend so many IT professionals intelligence and then not apologise and try to save some face! You see, the fact that most entries posted here are from IBM related consultants doesn't really matter. They are IT consultants..... and this is a small IT world. Speaking for myself, if I ever read a report that has your name (or pseudonym) assigned to it, will I consider it factual? Nope. I very much doubt your employeers will appreciate this thread aswell If you think you won't come across people that have read this site through your career (they will usually be your boss) you are very naive indeed.

   This thread has smackings of Mr. Bernard Shiffman { Link } who thought arrogance and shouting loud was a way to deal with offended IT professionals. (Take a look if you need a laugh).

   Career Move indeed! Well done.

1. 62  Ed Brill www.edbrill.com | 7/28/2004 8:52:15 PM

   "Ed Brill posted multiple responses, here and here that have garnered much discussion. In this case, the most interesting point I took away from his blogging on this topic was that the Radicati group had a response to Ed■s blog questions, but didn■t want that response posted to the blog."

   { Link }

1. 63  Christopher Byrne http://www.controlscaddy.com | 7/28/2004 10:09:00 PM

   I had a hit at 11:21:51 AM from an IP Address that Ed confirms is a direct hit.

   How did I set this up? I sent the e-mail quoted in response # 55 above to Sara and he who shall not be named from my GMail account. You see, in the Blogsphere template, referrals from GMail links are treated as search referrers. Makes it stand right out.

   However, neither party has responded to my e-mail.

1. 64  Michael Sampson www.shared-spaces.com | 7/28/2004 10:58:06 PM

   { Link } Bad form!

1. 65  Christopher Byrne http://www.controlscaddy.com/ | 7/28/2004 11:18:17 PM

1. 66  Volker Weber http://vowe.net/ | 7/29/2004 5:44:42 AM

   Well, if some sites with high page ranks start Google-bombing this thread with the analyst's name, that would put the final nail in the coffin.

   No, I am not inclinded to do that. I believe he has learned a lesson, also in his last post he was still pissing in the wind.

1. 67  Volker Weber http://vowe.net/ | 7/29/2004 5:45:58 AM

   c/inclinded/inclined/

   c/also/although/

   :-)

1. 68  Wild Bill http://www.billbuchan.com | 7/29/2004 7:03:03 AM

   Wow. Go to Poland for the weekend, and miss out on the biggest flame-war on the net for ages! Damn!

   Shrek/Sara/Whatever your dammed name is. You've been whupped. Slink off under your Rock and stay there. Sad little troller. It's been amusing listening to the wind whistling through your head, but even a seashell loses its appeal after a while. Game over. Analyse that.

   And the Radicalli group ? Their analysis is now meaningless if this is the best they can do. Their name has been blackened, their reputation in tatters. And they want people to *pay* for their opinion in future ? Aint going to happen.

   Hilarious.

   ---* Bill

1. 69  Ben Poole http://www.benpoole.com | 7/29/2004 8:00:27 AM

   I guess this will mean that the Radicati client list will change soon? There's a certain blue-tinged corporation detailed there at the moment:

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1. 70  Christopher Byrne http://www.controlscaddy.com/ | 7/29/2004 8:34:45 AM

   Well, I have a stack of business cards from World Bank people I had dinner with at LotusSphere last January. Maybe, just maybe, I will forward them some links to this thread and other threads on this topic.

   Would that be unethical or crossing the line too much?

   Notwithstanding, there is a certain danger in posting your entire client list on your web site, especially if you do not have their permission (disclaimer: I do not know if they do or not).

1. 71  Ed Brill www.edbrill.com | 7/29/2004 8:57:07 AM

   I suspect that list is a cumulative list. As I mentioned in the first post on this topic, IBM has chosen not to subscribe to Radicati Group services at present.

1. 72  Nathan T. Freeman  | 7/29/2004 4:23:25 PM

   So I was curious about Dr. Radicati's background, and have been searching bio information on the web. I came across this interesting little tidbit...

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   "Prior to founding The Radicati Group, she was responsible for marketing and product planning of messaging products at Novell, Inc."

   Ah... messaging products at NOVELL. Then she knows all about what strategies are effective at building messaging marketshare, right? She's an expert on what works and doesn't work, right?

1. 73    | 7/29/2004 4:27:09 PM

   but I wonder when she stopped bleaching her hair

   then: { Link }

   now:

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   that was not very fair of me, was it...

1. 74  Volker Weber http://vowe.net/ | 8/3/2004 10:55:36 AM

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