Ed Brill

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1. 1  Greg Walrath http://www.univarusa.com/ | 8/25/2004 6:37:27 PM

   OK, here's a fun excercise - replace each instance of 'Notes/Domino 6' or 'Notes' in that paragraph with 'Exchange', and each instance of IBM with Microsoft. Voila:

   "Exchange 2003 is the last planned release of the existing Exchange architecture; Microsoft plans to reengineer it to run on top of an as-yet-unrleased version of SQL Server and .NET. The change in database structure creates a significant migration effort for existing customers and creates a situation where the Exchange direction is re-evaluated. Additionally, Microsoft has halted plans for long-awaited improvements to Exchange, and users are getting conflicting timelines for their replacement strategy. These problems have been amplified by Microsoft's lack of direction for a cohesive coexistence and migration strategy. Accordingly, many organizations are expressing interest in migrating away from the moribund Exchange platform, but they do not want to abandon their existing investment in applications built on the Exchange architecture."

1. 2  jonvon http://jonvon.net | 8/25/2004 6:49:22 PM

   obviously this wasn't written by an engineer. man, if you can't trust microsoft, who can you trust?

1. 3  Barry L  | 8/25/2004 7:08:52 PM

   Since MS are a Lotus competitor (i.e. not a group of analysts who can say what they like) are they not open here to a legal action to get them to withdraw this statement? We techies know it is BS but the execs understand what a legal objection is much more easily than anything we can say.

1. 4  Andrew Pollack http://www.thenorth.com/apblog | 8/25/2004 7:47:59 PM

   I installed a D7 beta 2 server on blank Win2kPro machine running as a virtual machine under vmware. I also installed the db2 trial that comes with the beta. I followed all the defaults on both.

   I launched the admin client, and selected the wizard to connect to the db2 server. I was given the option to default new database creation to either native domino or db2 based. I choose the latter (its a test, isn't it?)

   I used the admin client to select an entire directory tree on my production server, and say "create new replicas on...." to the test server.

   Done. Bye bye.

   Now the db's are all there (time to replicate was comperable to what you'd expect out of any server replication). The client can't see the difference. They feel the same. In designer I have a couple of new options (like creating a DB Access View) that I wouldn't if they were native notes nsf.

   Sorry. I'll race anyone in migrating a 10, 100, 1000, or 10000 user mail environment from Domino 4 to Domino 5 to Domino 6 vs. a single major upgrade of Exchange to current -- each using the latest version storage choice of the vendor.

   Any takers? I think not.

1. 5  Ed Brill www.edbrill.com | 8/25/2004 8:07:32 PM

   now where he got that idea, I dunno....

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   "Of course, we can write our own .Net to Notes paper and include our own 2nd paragraph. It would go something... like... this... "

1. 6  Alan Lepofsky http://www-1.ibm.com/partnerworld/pwhome.nsf/weblook/index.html | 8/25/2004 8:58:05 PM

   I have nothing at all against competition. A company should be proud of their products, and it's understandable that they try to get customers to migrate away from the competition. We (IBM) do this to help customers migrate from Exchange to Domino...

   Trade Up home page: { Link }

   For Microsoft Exchange shops, a chance to switch, simplify and save: { Link }

   Redbook: Migrating from Microsoft Exchange 5.5 to Lotus Notes and Domino 6: { Link }

   Webcast: An Alternative Solution to the Microsoft Exchange Upgrade: { Link }

   Partners Dedicated to helping Move2Lotus

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   ... but I'd like to think we don't blatantly lie about our competition. Why is MS allowed to do this time and time again? Obviously legal action is meaningless to them, they seem to like the media coverage.

   In the last few years MS has annoyed customers with their licensing, continued to have security problems almost daily (despite a dedicated trustworthy initiative!), spent more time in court than Courtney Love, delayed major product releases, changed or pulled their product roadmaps, and so much more. Come on IT managers and executives, you have other choices. Better choices. More secure and award winning choices. I hate when people say "you don't get fired for buying MS"... perhaps people should be.

   "Frustrated in Cambridge"

1. 7  Eric Parsons www.startingblockcomputing.com | 8/25/2004 9:18:03 PM

   In talking with people, I find their "truth" has little to do with reality, and much to do with what they heard last night. I know Americans (of which I am) are notorious for following the latest fad.

1. 8  Gregg Eldred  | 8/25/2004 9:23:19 PM

   I am sorry, but I had to look up the word 'moribund.' Adjective, meaning:

   Approaching death; about to die.

   On the verge of becoming obsolete: moribund customs; a moribund way of life

   Hmm, maybe I don't get it . . R7 beta is out, I can find a clear path and thinking on lotus.com for Notes/Domino, I will see about 5000 people at 'Sphere (maybe more), and yet, my wagon is hitched to the Lotus horses (with an eye scanning the horizon).

1. 9  Richard Schwartz http://smokey.rhs.com/web/blog/rhs.nsf | 8/25/2004 10:18:07 PM

   ... the whole thing reads like a promotion for Casahl's ecKnowlege product. But for all the detail presented, there appear to be quite a few conspicuous omissions. I searched on "rich text" and found a few hits with absolutely no detail on how it would be handled in migration. (On the suspicion that I might find info by searching on "BLOB", I tried that too, and came up pretty much empty.) Other searches that didn't reveal any significant detail: "reader names", "author names", "subform", "queryopen", "hide when", "input validation", "input translation", "computed", "for display", "access control", "acl", "signature", "encryption", "security"...

   -rich

   -rich

1. 10  Julian Robichaux http://www.nsftools.com | 8/25/2004 10:30:58 PM

   There are lies,

   Damn lies,

   And Microsoft technical briefs.

1. 11  Nathan T. Freeman  | 8/25/2004 11:09:37 PM

   ROFL @ Julian.

   Ed, maybe they just asked Sara & Co to write the intro for them?

   Y'know, I bet there's a good PhD dissertation out there somewhere that has an analysis of historical political bodies that were obviously nearing collapse when they started to publish blatant falsehoods as their normal means of communication. Anyone remember Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf?

   "Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!"

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   Oh man... I feel a major mash-up parody website coming. :)

1. 12  Steve Castledine http://www.dominoblog.com | 8/26/2004 3:47:13 AM

   But how do they get away with publishing stuff which is obviously incorrect?

   I always feel this is the sort of thing IBM/Lotus are in competition with - not the products.

1. 13  Mike Brown  | 8/26/2004 5:44:10 AM

   I also wonder why this kind of thing doesn't happen more often.

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   Cheers,

   - Mike

1. 14  ... as less obscure link!  | 8/26/2004 5:47:34 AM

   This link explains the background to previous one:

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1. 15  ... a less obscure link!  | 8/26/2004 5:47:44 AM

   This link explains the background to previous one:

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1. 16  Henry  | 8/26/2004 6:36:10 AM

   Ed, I tried to take a look at the document on Microsoft's web site, but it is not there. What could that mean?

1. 17  Christopher Byrne http://www.controlscaddy.com/ | 8/26/2004 9:40:27 AM

   Was/is going to be the title of my blog entry on this topic tonite as "The Business Controls Caddy IT Ethics Hall of Shame" inducts yet another worthy candidate.

   Now if I had only downloaded a copy before they pulled it.

1. 18  Ed Brill www.edbrill.com | 8/26/2004 9:54:18 AM

   it's 7 MB in size, so I'm not gonna post it... but ping/mail me if you want it.

   Rich Schwartz has it right -- it certainly understates the scope of what a typical Notes app might do.

1. 19  Darren http://www.dadams.co.uk | 8/26/2004 1:47:03 PM

   ...is that so many people only get to hear the Microsoft point of view - they read this stuff and never get to hear the real truth. Like the guy who said to me "hmmm, but Domino isn't an industry standard like Exchange". Almost as irritating as the friend of a friend (who works for an Exchange customer) and dismissed Mozilla Firefox as rubbish because he'd "never heard of it".

   It's a shame that ignorance is bliss, because it means that Microsoft have a lot of happy customers.

1. 20  Ben Rose http://www.jaffacake.net/bensblog.nsf | 8/26/2004 3:57:42 PM

   "it certainly understates the scope of what a typical Notes app might do"

   It would be good billable hours to bail out any customer that tried to migrate though yeah? :O)

1. 21  Ed Brill www.edbrill.com | 9/6/2004 1:08:50 PM

   Tom Duff wrote a full-length article about this in e-Pro. See more at this newer thread --

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