Can I claim dibs on being the first non-MS
person to say this sounded like a bad idea? I guess maybe I'm a little
more biased than these...
Peter Pawlack of Directions on Microsoft
is quoted in Information
Week, Analyst Criticizes Microsoft Making Exchange 12 Only 64-Bit :
"Only a small subset of the Exchange customer base needs the kind of scalability that 64-bit provides," he said.The same article quotes Gartner's Matt Cain and Stephen Kleynhans:
"I think Microsoft is creating as many problems as it's solving with Exchange 12. If there was some capability available only in 64-bit, such as a much greater level of security, then that would be an acceptable reason for going solely with 64-bit.
"The change will make the typical Exchange version migration slower and more complex"and on the same story, Ferris Research's blog features an alternate view from Richi Jennings (and input from Julie Farris):
...it's illustrative of the fact that Exchange scales relatively poorly in the real world. This is because it requires quite high disk I/O bandwidths to read and write its message store database.A betting man would say that this is a decision that won't stick... like so many other things the Exchange team has announced in the last five years.
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Richard Schwartz http://www.rhs.com/poweroftheschwartz | 11/21/2005 8:02:09 PM
Ummm... Rob, it's safe to say that about any application on 64 bit. Outside of some scientific or modeling application, it's pretty much all about raising the address space and physical RAM limits.
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Mike Robinson http://www.invcs.com | 11/21/2005 8:14:58 PM
How reliable is having 20gb mailstore in memory :)
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Nathan T. Freeman | 11/22/2005 12:30:30 AM
Hey, look, it's just another 32-bits in which to allow buffer overflows. MS customers are going to get what they deserve.
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Wild Bill http://www.billbuchan.com | 11/22/2005 6:03:49 AM
So they're going 64 bit to build a really big disk cache.. Cool.
My moneys on a 32-bit and 64 bit version shipping. causing them immense pain, as they've doubled up on testing and support.
---* Bill
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Paul Robichaux http://www.e2ksecurity.com | 11/22/2005 9:50:14 AM
@5: I'll take that bet, Bill. I've got $20 that says MS will only ship 64-bit production versions of E12 (although they will probably ship test / demo versions that run on 32-bit hardware). If I'm right, you pay Habitat for Humanity in New Orleans $20; if you're right, I'll pay the $20 to a charity of your choice. In fact, I'll take up to 5 identical bets. Ante up!
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Ed Brill www.edbrill.com | 11/22/2005 10:07:22 AM
@6 I'm in.
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Mike Lazar | 11/22/2005 10:25:02 AM
Paul -- I'm in for that as well. However, by the time Exchange 12 actually ships, Habitat will be done with their rebuilding efforts in New Orleans. You'll need to find another worthy cause. No matter. Helping Paws here in Crystal Lake will take your money when the version ships.
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Carl Tyler http://www.iminstant.com | 11/22/2005 11:06:05 AM
They are testing 32 and 64 bit exchange, only planning on shipping 64 bit...
See Eileen Brown's blog comments here:
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and here
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Paul Robichaux http://www.e2ksecurity.com | 11/22/2005 11:17:27 AM
@8: The reason I picked Habitat when there are so many other worthy charities out there is simple: I'm from the area, and America is already getting a bad case of disaster fatigue. See { Link } As much as I enjoy locking horns with you guys, arguing over which collab stack you prefer is kind of silly given the obstacles that so many people in that area face. So, I'll be happy to take money from you, Ed, Bill, and two players to be named later :)
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Wild Bill http://www.billbuchan.com | 11/22/2005 11:57:53 AM
Okay - 20 dollars to a worthy cause.
We've got a very long wait ahead of us, given MS's ability to completely cock up delivery schedules..
--* Bill
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Nathan T. Freeman | 11/23/2005 1:24:07 AM
@6) Paul - Does the name Julian Simon mean anything to you?
This could actually make the basis for a nice prediction market, y'know. :)
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Paul Robichaux http://www.e2ksecurity.com | 11/23/2005 12:35:46 PM
@12: I know Simon is the father of the modern airline overbooking system, but I think you're probably referring to his famous bet with Paul Ehrlich. I wonder if the Iowa electronic futures market would take bets on stuff like this?
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Scott Mace http://scottmace.typepad.com/imanager | 1/26/2006 6:20:25 PM
Apparently, 64-bit Windows contains unique "anti-rootkit" technology which cannot be implemented in 32-bit Windows:
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Scott Mace
Interesting to read the Ferris blog. This quote is very telling.
'Exchange makes heavy use of RAM to cache the database contents. A 64-bit version of Exchange permits Microsoft's customers to build servers with more RAM, which should allow each server to support more users.'
It appears that 64 bit processing is not the big adavantage in itself. Rather its the opportunity to run on systems with more and more RAM ot the machine to cache an inefficient DB. Not only will customers need brand new hardware to run Exchange 12, but they had better buy a system with lots of RAM as well. $$$$