I think I'm not allowed to quote LinkedIn discussions from membership groups in public, but there are some real quotable comments in this thread. The original poster basically asks for experiences with Notes to Exchange migration. Most of the reply comments say, essentially, don't do it -- you won't be successful, it will cost more than you anticipated, and in one case, we decided not to after all our study. The only "dissent", if you can call it that, is a person who shares Microsoft party lines but doesn't actually talk about the experience of such a migration.
If companies that are being seduced actually took a look at a discussion like this, they'd realize that not only is it a bad idea, but there is so much more they can do with their Notes/Domino investment.
Link: LinkedIn: Lotus Notes to Exchange migration > (getting some comments that the link doesn't work, even if you are a member of the "Lotus Professionals" group. Please navigate there directly if you want to read the full discussion)
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Erik Brooks | 2/3/2010 6:38:23 PM
Ed, just an FYI - your links on Planet Lotus have been broken for the past week or two. Your links on PL are showing as:
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Note the missing & near the end: it should be "...?opendocument&comments"
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Peter Wilson | 2/3/2010 9:53:12 PM
To be honest, companies don't seem to care about the TCO with prices the way they area. CxO's want their Outlook at any cost { Link } It's just a shame IBM didn't realise the importance of a simple/easy to use email client 5 versions ago. Anyhow, water under the bridge.
I think IBM will need to focus on a fantastic email client for the web/portable devices and a bargain basement price (either purchased software or LotusLive). If the cost is a LOT lower, CxO's (well, driven by CFO's) might give up their beloved Outlook as the savings would be incredibly compelling.
Pete
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Bill Buchan http://www.hadsl.com | 2/4/2010 3:43:37 AM
Interestingly, I see a lot of large corporates stuck on Exchange 2003. And who didnt upgrade to 2007.
My understanding - though this might be wrong - is that they've changed the data storage so its no longer a single-copy-object store (even though in the past it wasnt really one of these all the time).
Sort of moving from 'everything in one huge database' (cc:Mail style) to users-having-their-own-datastores (notes style).
So huge increase in relability (it couldnt get worse). But a massive increase in disk requirements.
Compare and contrast with DAOS, which is now showing a huge reduction in disk space.
So. If Exchange 2003->2010 is rip+replace, with a massive increase in disk storage - so you end up installing new servers and a dual-infrastructure in any case - why not just migrate to Notes?
If IBM had a marketing budget (for this sort of thing) it'd represent a huge opportunity for ISSL and Business partners.
Just sayin.
---* Bill
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Erwin | 2/4/2010 6:43:49 AM
It would have been interesting if it were a discussion in the 'Exchange Professionals' group.
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Jebb Dykstra | 2/4/2010 9:07:21 AM
The problem with this discussions is that it is seemingly a 1-way discussions. What will happen if/when co's flee Notes/Domino to keep Outlook and/or use Exchange AND SharePoint. This is a beachhead war that is not going the right way for co's that are aligned with IBM's view of the software world. IBM has also upset its customers to a certain degree by switching Sametime away from Notes/Domino to Websphere (right move) but still creating an opportunity for MSFT products to use this as an opportunity to "start" a discussion point on a migration. In the sports world, Microsoft is playing offense and IBM is playing defense. Not a good sign.
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Charles Robinson http://www.cubert.net | 2/4/2010 9:53:10 AM
@5 - You are absolutely correct about the storage changes in Exchange 2010. Starting with Exchange there is no option to do single copy messages. In real-world terms, upgrading from Exchange 2003 to Exchange 2010 would immediately increase our storage requirements by 20%. It's definitely a consideration, and something Lotus could capitalize on.
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Timothy Briley | 2/4/2010 11:56:39 AM
@4 - Your link is bad (it includes a period at the end). Here's the correct version:
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Laurette Rynne | 2/9/2010 3:54:34 AM
I just saw the article listed in @4/@9 regarding the IBM loss of the Qantas account for Notes. I was in the original team that brought Notes to Qantas, so I can't help feeling a little sad about it. I work for a large Notes client (won't mention the name) who is also fighting a battle to avoid the Outlook migration, and as mentioned, cost seems to be not even considered as an issue. I'm wondering what sort of fight IBM is doing to keep these big corporates, even in a relatively small market. It only takes one or two losses for the "notes is dead" to get momentum again. I don't even think many Australian clients are embracing 8.5.x, which is a serious competitor in UI terms to Outlook.
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Damian | 2/28/2010 2:07:46 PM
I`m Lotus Notes fan but reality is for my strange.. Company`s are going to MS mostly to hosted services.
link:
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A Ferris Research survey of 917 companies found that Notes systems can cost twice as much as Exchange 2007,” White said. “(...) The launch of Exchange Online and SharePoint Online is a key driver for migrations. This past year, as these services have gone live, some major Notes customers – including Coca-Cola Enterprises, GlaxoSmithKline and Ingersoll Rand – are making the move from Notes to the cloud because of Microsoft’s software plus services strategy. (...) At 400,000 strong, our partner and developer communities are amazing! Every one of those 4.7 million Notes switchers started their migration with a Microsoft partner, and today, those partners are better than ever.”
I`m personally know about other tow huge company's (> 50 000 seat) switching to MS..
What's the name of the group please.
Thanks, M.