IBM.com features details on Domino 7.0.2 release

June 21 2006



The marketing folks have posted several pages of new information about the 7.0.2 Notes/Domino release...

and more.  Cool stuff!  (Via InsideLotus/Ted and Joanne in marketing)

Ed Brill Boston, MA USA Category:  Lotus  Add/View Comments [39]

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  1. 1  Bruce Elgort http://takingnotes.openntf.org | 6/21/2006 3:29:21 PM

    Looks like September 2006 deliverables.

    { Link }

    Will any of 7.0.2 be placed into beta?

  1. 2  Mike Brown  | 6/21/2006 3:50:32 PM

    The screen shots are all too small to read, Ed. They should all be clickable to open a full sized version.

    Cheers,

    - Mike

  1. 3  Mark Dowling http://cork2toronto.blogspot.com | 6/21/2006 3:58:43 PM

    The TNEF decoder is a big win for us - we use Fentun which is not really the best solution but does work pretty well.

  1. 4  Brian Vincent  | 6/21/2006 5:05:47 PM

    Hmmm I'm having a vision. I see Lotus Notes USB sticks everywhere for the next Lotusphere...

  1. 5  Steven  | 6/21/2006 8:29:12 PM

    So if we want to run the Notes client on Linux, how is is the Notes Plug-In for the IBM Workplace Managed Client 2.6.1 to be made avaiable? Will I have to install a IBM Workplace Collaboration Services server? { Link }

    Will I have to buy more? Is this just a way to move us over to WorkPlace? Sorry, had to ask....

  1. 6  Ed Brill www.edbrill.com | 6/21/2006 10:07:22 PM

    @5 Steven... i thought we've been over this :-)

    I don't even understand what you mean by "move us over to Workplace". Do you need the Workplace client technology 2.6.1 as a base to run the Notes 7 plug-in for Linux? yes. But will you need a server to provision it from? Not necessarily. And will you need to buy more? Not to just run Notes.

  1. 7  Christian  | 6/22/2006 2:15:53 AM

    Notes on a USB memory stick or blog template, and RSS feed generator are NOT new!

    a better calendar is more Important and users have more enjoy on it.(see Lotus-Organizer)

  1. 8  Dante Tribolde  | 6/22/2006 3:10:00 AM

    What will requirements for USB Stick-nomand be? Will i have to have a Lotus Roaming environment setup? Or will I ave to preload my USB stick with my NAB and INI file? Or have them in some accessible location?

  1. 9  Ben Poole http://benpoole.com | 6/22/2006 4:51:10 AM

    @7: your post is somewhat disingenuous. IBM-supported versions of the initiatives you list *are* new and moreover, very welcome. What do you want added to the calendar? Have you logged the feature request?

  1. 10  Norm  | 6/22/2006 5:18:27 AM

    @5: To my understanding, Hannover client will be provisioned from a Domino server and can be upgraded to via SmartUpgrade if desired.

  1. 11  Steven Joseph  | 6/22/2006 7:47:39 AM

    @6 Sorry, Ed. I know it was mean, but that red guy with the pitchfork on my left shoulder kept poking me to do it...

    I would think with all the requests made for making a Notes client for Linux available over the past 3-4 years, we'd get more than a one-liner about this. Can we get some more clarification on how this will work for those of us who are not familiar with (or obviously confused by) the Workplace managed client. (He's poking me a again.... ) Or do we just download the WorkPlace Client 180 day trial

    ({ Link } since most of the Linux folks will probably have "issues" with the Notes UI and want to move back to IMAP.

    Is this a typo? "For Linux customers, Lotus Notes 7.0.1 will support Red Hat Enterprise Linux v4 via the Notes Plug-In for the IBM Workplace Managed Client 2.6.1." or did I miss something in your Hannover slides from Admin 2006? Good God!! I hope the Microsoft bogging community does not find out about this possible typo before the page gets modified.

    Has it been too long and the Native Linux client proponents have moved on? This is tremendous news!!! I can move the Linux folks who have to run IMAP because they don't have a Windozes workstation. Especially if we can use this to give JUST the Lotus Notes client to our Linux users with no additional servers or CALs yes.... assuming we have enough Notes CALs and server resources to handle them).

    What better way to eliminate the possibility of moving to MS Exchange? "Sorry, we don't have any windows servers or windows workstations". Like one of my team members says, "When MS makes a version of Exchange the runs on Linux, we'll take a look at it."

  1. 12  Ed Brill www.edbrill.com | 6/22/2006 8:00:31 AM

    Steven,

    I'm not following this at all. What typo? It IS Notes, natively running within the Workplace client technology on Linux.

    Why not more than a one-liner? Because it hasn't shipped yet and I don't have all the details (at a minimum, not for public post).

  1. 13  Bill Brown  | 6/22/2006 8:00:48 AM

    Will the Notes on memory stick work with Macs as well?

    For the client, the announcement lists requirements including OS X 10.4 (Tiger). What about older versions?

  1. 14  Volker Weber http://vowe.net | 6/22/2006 8:22:20 AM

    Excuse me, if I LOL.

    Ed, do you seriously suggest that a customer deploys a Workplace server to provision Workplace Managed Clients for the sole purpose of running a Notes plugin on a Linux workstation?

  1. 15  Ed Brill www.edbrill.com | 6/22/2006 8:25:10 AM

    @14 I didn't say that.

    One of the logistical things in discussion right now is how these clients can be self-provisioned. I don't have the details behind it which is why I haven't been answering that question.

  1. 16  Ben Poole http://benpoole.com | 6/22/2006 8:30:51 AM

    @13, I imagine that 10.4 onwards simply comprise the *supported* versions of OS X -- I guess IBM have to draw the line somewhere in terms of testing and wot-not. All previous versions of Notes for the Mac have been apps that work in OS 9 too, so this is a big break-away (partly the Java issue I guess).

    @11: forgive me if I misunderstand, but the talk of the managed client and the Notes plug-in comes down to this: setting aside the current "native" clients for Windows and OS X, the Eclipse framework will provide the user interface for future versions of Lotus Notes across *all* platforms (as we know). There won't be a "native" version of the Notes client for Linux, but there will be Hannover, once that's out.

    The Notes plug-in for Workplace was the first step in "component-ising" the traditional Notes client, breaking away the core back-end functionality from the ageing Windows-oriented front-end stuff. The work IBM have done in this area has then directly contributed to the development of Hannover. But *for now* and the immediate future, the only way to use Notes on Linux without WINE or whatever, is to use the plug-in as part of the Workplace Managed Client technology. Whether you then choose to have the whole stack there for the managed client (i.e. Websphere Portal / Workplace server etc.) is up to you.

    Does that make sense, or have I made things worse??

  1. 17  Ben Poole http://benpoole.com | 6/22/2006 8:35:09 AM

    "One of the logistical things in discussion right now is how these clients can be self-provisioned. I don't have the details behind it which is why I haven't been answering that question."

    Doh, I was forgetting that the Notes plugin is currently a component which is "enabled" for provisioning per-user by the Workplace admin... However, there must be a way of engineering an installation of the managed client that includes this component.

  1. 18  Volker Weber http://vowe.net | 6/22/2006 9:06:54 AM

    May I throw in this idea again? { Link }

  1. 19  Steven Joseph  | 6/22/2006 9:22:08 AM

    @12. It says 7.01 has Linux support with the WPMC. Did this come out in 7.01 or is it in 7.02? I understand not shipping yet, but there are several screen shots on the Mac stuff. With Hannover coming next year, we are getting closer to the point where we may skip 7.0x like we skipped 6.0x, so the more info the better. I'll get it when it is ready.

    @14... VERY SORRY to ALL that I poked Ed on the Workplace "thing" once again. Guess I just like to see Ed respond to my posts. I love Notes/Domino it pays my mortgage and puts my kids in diapers, day care, and Disney videos.

    I promise not to do that again, but will reserve the right to point out any "newly implemented" cc:Mail features in future versions of Notes/Domino.

  1. 20  Ed Brill www.edbrill.com | 6/22/2006 9:25:12 AM

    @19 it is the 7.0.1 version of the Notes client...but is waiting on a ship vehicle in the Workplace managed client (2.6.1). I understand this is confusing.

  1. 21  Rob Ingram  | 6/22/2006 9:36:48 AM

    @8 Its a new type of Notes client install. You will still need to move DB's onto the stick as required.

    @13 USB memory stick feature will be for Windows only in 7.0.2 release.

  1. 22  Bill Brown  | 6/22/2006 9:37:02 AM

    I don't think this is the typo Steven was talking about, but in the interview with Mike and Penny, it says " For Linux customers, Lotus Notes 7.0.1 will suport Red Hat Enterprise Linux v4 via the Notes Plug-In for the IBM Workplace Managed Client 2.6.1.".

    7.0.1 is in the can, so I suspect they meant 7.0.2.

  1. 23  Steven Joseph  | 6/22/2006 9:42:28 AM

    @16, That makes it a lot clearer, yes, thanks! Native or it works (without wine or VM, etc) are both OK with me with a obvious slant towards "it works". (See I'm playing nice now).

  1. 24  Ed Brill www.edbrill.com | 6/22/2006 9:43:35 AM

    Ah, ok -- so it's not a typo, it's that it is the 7.0.1 client running in WMC 2.6.1. This isn't a feature that waits for the 7.0.2 client.

  1. 25  Matt  | 6/22/2006 10:44:57 AM

    Still no sign of the DB2 support becoming mainstream - hows that coming along?

  1. 26  Ed Brill www.edbrill.com | 6/22/2006 10:48:43 AM

    @25 planned for the Domino "Next" release, timed with Notes "Hannover" in 2007.

  1. 27  Christopher Byrne http://www.controlscaddy.com/ | 6/22/2006 11:27:04 AM

    Will "Nomad" allow for the installation of Domino Designer on the stick? I think this would be helpful when providing deskside analysis/support of application issues.

  1. 28  Chris Miller http://www.IdoNotes.com | 6/22/2006 12:23:47 PM

    @27 - designer is not officially 'supported'. Only the client code portion. Could you make it work, sure

  1. 29  Charles Robinson  | 6/22/2006 6:08:31 PM

    @18 - That's an interesting proposition but isn't it basically what the Mozilla suite is, minus the IM stuff?

    @26 - That's extremely disappointing. At Lotusphere the NSFDB2 product manager was extremely optimistic to have it at least expanded to all supported platforms for the limited availabilty when 7.02 shipped. I realize we're now several months on but I was really looking forward to it in 7.02.

  1. 30  Bob http://www.bobcongdon.com/blog | 6/22/2006 7:08:33 PM

    @26 - If DB2 support is now scheduled for the Domino "Next" release then it's disingenuous for IBM to say that DB2 storage support shipped as part of Domino 7.

    I know that you've been careful about making the distinction but IBM literature still lists DB2 support for Domino 7. (For example: { Link }

    I say this with the utmost respect for the people who work on the DB2NSF project. I know and have worked with several of them at Iris and IBM.

    Go ahead and throw brickbats at Microsoft for its difficulties getting the Exchange store on SQL Server. It's a hard problem. And it's pretty clear now that getting NSF on DB2 is no walk in the park either.

  1. 31  Bob http://www.bobcongdon.com/blog | 6/22/2006 7:09:49 PM

    That link should be:

    { Link }

  1. 32  Michael  | 6/23/2006 1:35:56 AM

    to @ 29 & 30 :

    DB2 feature in ND7 is under limited availability, that does not mean it does not exist ! We are using it internally at my company with great success so far and have seen many interest from customers.

    Of course, there are some "limitations" compared to raw nsf (every 1.0 version of the feature has) but also some very interesting gains.

    7.02 will bring new features and perf enhancements in the DB2 area. Then Domino.Next will make the feature generally available.

    We personnaly are enjoying it and see this + the web services support in domino as a giant step in the righ direction.

  1. 33  Bob http://www.bobcongdon.com/blog | 6/23/2006 2:55:20 AM

    @32: My point is that it's not a feature of the ND7 release. Ed says as much in @26. To list it as a feature of ND7 is incorrect. Clearly it's still a work in progress.

  1. 34  Dante Tribolde  | 6/23/2006 3:24:12 AM

    One day, Ed will leave IBM/Lotus. On good terms most likely, or possibly not.

    Not that Ed is shielding, though wouldnt that post-Lotus blog be interesting? The truth behind the truth.

    Sorry, off topic.

  1. 35  Michael  | 6/23/2006 5:48:25 AM

    @33 : As I know you worked on workplace team while at IBM, did you say that the rich client was not a feature of WCS 2, 2.5 as it was under "limited availability" when they shipped ? ;)

    Anyway, we use db2 support in ND7, it works well, we have quite direct access to the dev team via the official forum...what else more could we ask for ? 7.02 new db2 features ;)

    Btw, Bob, I miss the time you were on the domino app server team, your info sharing and availability has always been a great help for us.

  1. 36  Ed Brill www.edbrill.com | 6/23/2006 8:23:20 AM

    @34 I have to save something for my "tell-all" book. :-)

  1. 37  Charles Robinson  | 6/23/2006 9:12:33 AM

    @35 - I'm glad you're able to use NSFDB2 in production, if only because you'll help pick out the bugs before they get stuck in my teeth later. ;-) I have done some testing with it but I don't have an AIX box and will not run Domino on Windows in production.

    I run Domino on RHEL and AS/400. I pressured the product manager for NSFDB2 about this lack of support in the LA at Lotusphere. He understood my situation, said he heard it repeatedly, and gave a strong commitment to at least having the LA expanded in the 7.02 timeframe but was optimistic it could go to GA.

    In re-reading the exchange @25/26 that could still be coming. However since it is not mentioned in any of the 7.02 materials published so far it is only safe to assume that is not the case and it is being delayed until Hannover comes out.

  1. 38  Bob http://www.bobcongdon.com/blog | 6/23/2006 10:04:45 AM

    @35: Yes, I was on the Workplace team. As I recall the rich client was released under "limited availability". For good reason since it wasn't really ready yet. In my mind that means that it was not a feature of Workplace 2.5.

    Thanks for the kind words Michael. Working on the Domino web server and having continous dialog with customers and business partners was a fun and rewarding experience.

  1. 39  Bob Brodsky  | 6/23/2006 3:30:12 PM

    @27 It is helpful now!

    Just Google NSTART.exe and you can try out the concept--not offical or even beta but very interesting. I have all three 7.0.1 clients working on a 512M stick. It's tight but it works. Just enough room for a 30 day mail db too after you delete the Help files.

    Bob