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1. 1  Neil Gower http://www.dominoconsultants.com | 10/5/2006 7:46:29 AM

   This is going to make a lot of users very happy, especially people using Notes for letter etc...

   Very cool

1. 2  Greg Micher  | 10/5/2006 7:46:58 AM

   As Kool-Aid would say...

   "OH YEA!"

1. 3  Andy Brunner http://ABData.CH | 10/5/2006 8:03:55 AM

   I'm speachless !

1. 4  Keith Brooks http://kbmsg.blogspot.com | 10/5/2006 8:12:37 AM

   As they say in the Guiness ads: Brilliant!

1. 5  Henrik Løvfold  | 10/5/2006 8:16:01 AM

   VERY nice..

1. 6  Keith Brooks http://kbmsg.blogspot.com | 10/5/2006 8:17:05 AM

   forgot to ask, is this in 7.0.2 client?

1. 7  Olaf Boerner  | 10/5/2006 8:19:21 AM

   better late then never - great news

1. 8  Roger Whitehead http://www.office-futures.com | 10/5/2006 8:20:09 AM

   Why isn't there one under "Hannover". Is that the normal spelling in the USA?

1. 9  Yury Kats  | 10/5/2006 8:24:34 AM

   @8: I bet it doesn't check address fields (To/Cc). Names are hard to spell check ;)

1. 10  David Bell  | 10/5/2006 8:25:47 AM

   @8 - I'm sure it was one of the first words Ed added to his dictionary ;) He probably types it a lot these days.

1. 11  Keith Brooks http://kbmsg.blogspot.com | 10/5/2006 8:29:22 AM

   Cool, Nomad works on a 1MB memroy stick since it only needs 256KB :-)

   From this IBM Site:

   { Link }

   The ability to load the Lotus Notes environment on to a USB flash drive or memory stick — Now with version 7.0.2, users can insert a 256 KB memory stick loaded with their Notes environment into the USB drive on any computer, and with a few simple steps, access their Lotus Notes environment from that computer, whether Lotus Notes was previously installed there or not. When the user is finished and removes their memory stick, none of their data or the Notes icon is left exposed on the host computer. For machines that have a companies' VPN access present, this feature can provide a fully connected environment just as it is on the users own desktop. For machines without VPN access, this feature provides Lotus Notes in offline mode, similar to using your laptop on an airplane.

1. 12  Graham Tucker http://chairboyrules.blogspot.com/ | 10/5/2006 8:29:47 AM

   Absolutely wonderful news!!! Would be fantastic if the spell checker included the contents of the Domino Directory (people and severs) as acceptable words.

1. 13  Ed Brill http://www.edbrill.com | 10/5/2006 8:41:13 AM

   @11 not sure if you meant to post this on this thread, but we are aware of the typo. Not sure if we will reissue the channel announcement just to fix it.

1. 14  Nathan T. Freeman http://www.openntf.org/nathan/escape.nsf | 10/5/2006 8:46:30 AM

   Oh great. :-/ Yet another crutch to keep people from learning English. *sigh*

   OK, I'll admit, I'm just whining.

1. 15  Jan Van Puyvelde  | 10/5/2006 8:47:28 AM

   Can it detect the language automatically ?

   That's the only other Word spelling feature to wish for, but probably too much to ask.

1. 16  Keith Brooks http://kbmsg.blogspot.com | 10/5/2006 8:56:39 AM

   Sorry about that Ed.

   But it is funny.

1. 17  Olaf Boerner  | 10/5/2006 9:26:55 AM

   Ed, when will a beta be available for Business Partners ? We need to create momentum and excitement in the market

1. 18  Ed Brill http://www.edbrill.com | 10/5/2006 9:30:45 AM

   @17 the beta plan for "Hannover" is still being worked. The code I'm now running is close to what will go to beta, but how many betas there will be, when/what will be public or open to partners, etc. all is still being finalized.

1. 19  Carl Tyler http://www.iminstant.com | 10/5/2006 9:39:20 AM

   This is fantastic that it's finally here, but it took 10 years to catch up. Do we really want to promote a feature that most other apps have had since circa 1996?

1. 20  Ed Brill http://www.edbrill.com | 10/5/2006 9:47:26 AM

   Is there any reason -NOT- to promote it, Carl? I would think users would be pleased to know that something they've wanted in the product is coming.

1. 21  Carl Tyler http://www.iminstant.com | 10/5/2006 9:57:28 AM

   I suppose I would have hoped there were more significant features than spell check underline and multi level undo, these are catch up features, I want people to hear about the stuff that sets you apart, that puts you way above the competition, promoting features where the Microsoft guy has to go in response "uh we don't do that" to me is a much better response than a potential "welcome to the 90s" response.

   Feel free to promote spell check. I just thought there must be better more powerful stuff.

1. 22  Ed Brill http://www.edbrill.com | 10/5/2006 10:03:01 AM

   there is a ton of more powerful stuff. This is just what happened to strike me this morning as blog-worthy.

1. 23  Mike Lazar  | 10/5/2006 10:17:05 AM

   Carl, I have to disagree. Telling someone about the new features is great, but the first thing fired back is, "You want to talk about new features when you can't even perform an undo or show me a misspelled word?" I have to agree with Ed that this should be yelled from the mountaintop. And I'll refrain from taking this further with Ron Burgundy quotes, even though I am dying to finish that one...

1. 24  stephen hood  | 10/5/2006 10:18:00 AM

   @19 Carl, I think so. It's been these little things that have been used against Notes. Taking them away leaves the conversation in areas that favour Notes and not the competition. How long has it taken IE to catch up to Notes use of tabs? About 10 years :). And they aren't shy about promoting it in IE7.

   On a somewhat unrelated note - the Eclipse homepage has a great PDF (on the front page) about how JP morgan replaced their mess of Excel spreadsheets with a financial platform based on Eclipse. I believe many of the key reasons behind their decision bode well for Eclipsed based products like Hannover..

   { Link }

   It's a case study in the News panel.

1. 25  Chris Whisonant http://cwhisonant.blogspot.com | 10/5/2006 10:22:14 AM

   Glad to finally see it Ed! It may be "behind the times" but it was needed and will be implemented in Notes 8. Just more of the eye candy that people look for and complain about not seeing in Notes now. Thanks for pointing it out. :)

   By the way, will it recognize "sametime" as a word? Because ST 7.5 client doesn't... ;)

1. 26  Ed Brill http://www.edbrill.com | 10/5/2006 10:28:57 AM

   @25 "sametime" - not in the build I have.

   As for eye candy, it has been pointed out to me that there is a newer mail template for me to check out -- it's pretty impressive looking. I'll blog more about that as I get used to this build. I hadn't updated my alpha build in over two months.

1. 27  TwoTone  | 10/5/2006 10:30:42 AM

   @19 Carl has a point.

   There is value in listing the new spell check functionality as part of the new version but the focus should be on the features that set it apart from its competition.

   When I go to fellow coworkers and say "The new version of notes will have XXXX feature". The reply, "mmmmmmm has had this for years, its about time!"

1. 28  john wylie  | 10/5/2006 10:48:05 AM

   @8 - Funnily enough "Hannover" does appear to be the correct spelling. If you goto { Link } you will be taken to { Link }

   I think it may be a casae of the english spelling differing from the native german spelling, ironic I suppose in the context of a spellink chequer.

1. 29  Andrew Pollack http://www.thenorth.com/apblog | 10/5/2006 11:18:51 AM

   For me, of all people, this is a huge addition.

1. 30  Andrew Price http://www.healthspace.ca | 10/5/2006 11:35:26 AM

   Oh my. Most cool.

   Does it ignore urls?

   :)

1. 31  Matt  | 10/5/2006 11:45:01 AM

   @30 - or even better, convert links into clickable urls as you type :)

1. 32  Ben Rose http://www.jaffacake.net | 10/5/2006 11:48:17 AM

   @25 - Should Proper nouns be in any dictionary?

1. 33  Chris Whisonant http://cwhisonant.blogspot.com | 10/5/2006 11:59:32 AM

   @32 - Ben, I thought of that also, but it's the proper name of the product - just a little ironic. That's all I was going for. At the sametime, someone could add it in and it wouldn't catch what I just did in the third word of this sentence. :)

1. 34  Greg http://www.ibmeye.com/i-love-sametime-75/ | 10/5/2006 12:39:42 PM

   I can't tell if this is just stating the obvious, but re: @8, @28, Sametime (and all other messaging tools and clients that I know of) don't check the To: field for spelling.

1. 35  Kevin Pettitt http://www.lotusguru.com | 10/5/2006 2:40:34 PM

   @21, @23. This is certainly a great feature, but Carl's point is valid because in *some* cases, promoting it might create perception problems that didn't exist. Specifically, for those folks with no history of Notes, pointing out the inline spell-checker only makes them wonder why that's a big deal, and could detract from what would otherwise be a wholly positive first impression. No reason to hide the feature certainly, just don't mention that it's new.

   Of course, for those users that have a history with Notes, making a bigger deal of this enhancement will likely have a completely different, and positive, impact.

1. 36  Frank Michel  | 10/5/2006 3:05:00 PM

   Does it mean spell check in any RTF field?

   That would be cool.

1. 37  Ed Brill http://www.edbrill.com | 10/5/2006 3:09:56 PM

   @36 yes

1. 38  Scott http://thebigredshark.com | 10/5/2006 5:36:38 PM

   Looks great. And re marketing, I would mention it but surely there are much bigger things to shout about. I would hope people are wowed so much by the other stuff that they are overcome and actually not that interested in a bit of spell checking :-)

   And can the spell check be enabled / disabled on a field by field basis in custom applications ?

1. 39  jonvon http://jonvon.net | 10/5/2006 9:08:00 PM

   beautiful. just beautiful.

1. 40  Bruce Elgort http://www.bruceelgort.com | 10/5/2006 10:13:59 PM

   @Ed,

   Will right clicking over the squiggly text show suggestions for the mispelled word? That would be wonderful. I don't have ST 7.5 on this machine to see how it handles spelling.

   Good stuff Ed, good stuff.

1. 41  Roger Whitehead http://www.office-futures.com | 10/5/2006 10:14:16 PM

   >@8 - I'm sure it was one of the first words Ed added to his dictionary ;)

   >He probably types it a lot these days.

   So it's a faked demo? Tsk, tsk. 8-)

1. 42  Roger Whitehead http://www.office-futures.com | 10/5/2006 10:32:13 PM

   >@8 - Funnily enough "Hannover" does appear to be the correct spelling.

   Of course it is -- <em>im Deutschland</em>. That's why I specified American spelling.

1. 43  Peter Wilson  | 10/5/2006 11:01:02 PM

   @23 I agree with Mike. Does Hannover FINALLY have a decent Undo...Version 8 guys, not 1.3

   Pete

1. 44  Axel Janssen  | 10/6/2006 2:28:47 AM

   The fact that Hannover supports spell-checking shows that the Eclipse architecture is a good basis for adding features, long requested by users.

   From a technical standpoint it certainly does appear big to me.

   On the soon historical platform that feature was requested a lot, but evaluated as too costly to develop.

   It is a cross section service, available at a lot of different places in the Notes UI. Those are very often the most challenging to add to existing systems.

1. 45  Bob Congdon http://www.bobcongdon.net/blog | 10/6/2006 2:51:23 AM

   @44: Eclipse has spell-checker support but it's not clear whether the spell checking feature that's shown here requires Eclipse. If it does then I'd imagine that this feature would not be available in the standalone client. { Link }

1. 46  Carl Tyler http://www.iminstant.com | 10/6/2006 3:28:08 AM

   @43 Multi Level Undo is there... A little harder to show in a screenshot :-)

1. 47  Neil Davis  | 10/6/2006 3:51:25 AM

   I've got to agree with Carl, whilst it will be a great feature to finally have in the Notes client! It reminds me of an IBM/Lotus event I went to last year all about Notes 7 and one of the key 'features' was not being able to send an email with a blank subject line! Was really glad I went to find out that bit of info. Lets shout about the really cool new and innovative features and yes include the catch up features but not make them the focus...

1. 48  Stein Sebak  | 10/6/2006 4:01:22 AM

   I hope the automatic spell check can be turned off. We're a shipping company and use a lot of abbreviations and words that doesn't exist in most spell checkers, and for many people here this will be annoying.

   It'll be good to have multi-level undo's also (finally)

1. 49  Henning Heinz  | 10/6/2006 6:13:08 AM

   How often have I read that IBM needs to look at the average mail user. Now they look and people complaign?

   The only disadvantage I see is that Hannover topics remember me how poor the current experience is (my personal opinion only).

   As the famous actor SpongeBob SquarePants would say: "I'm ready! I'm ready!" (give me the beta)

1. 50  Ed Brill http://www.edbrill.com | 10/6/2006 7:30:06 AM

   @45 I created the screen shot in the "regular" Notes client, not the Eclipse edition.

1. 51  Hynek Kobelka http://www.pylonware.com | 10/6/2006 8:11:36 AM

   Great. It is never too late to for good features !

1. 52  Adam Gartenberg http://www.adamgartenberg.com | 10/6/2006 8:28:22 AM

   @40 - I can't speak for Hannover, but right-clicking on a misspelled word in Sametime 7.5 will bring up a list of suggestions that you can click on (or add to dictionary/ignore).

1. 53  David Bell  | 10/6/2006 12:07:32 PM

   @47 - you can send an email with a blank subject - the difference is that you can now be warned that you are about to do so.

1. 54  David Bell  | 10/6/2006 12:08:07 PM

   @48 - yes you can turn off real-time checking and just use the standard spell checker.

1. 55  Bob Congdon http://www.bobcongdon.com/blog | 10/6/2006 12:28:35 PM

   @50: That's what I expected but "regular" is an interesting word choice. Will the Macintosh and Linux versions be offered as "regular" Notes clients or Eclipse edition only? Which Hannover features will require the Eclipse edition? Can a Notes application determine whether its running in the Eclipse edition or not?

1. 56  Charles Robinson http://cubert-codepoet.blogspot.com | 10/6/2006 1:02:50 PM

   @55 - Isn't ti rather curious that there has been asbolutely no mention of a traditional Hannover client other than stating there will be done? Mary Beth Raven's blog { Link } only shows screenshots (many simulated) of the Eclipse RCP version. Or I'm assuming it does since that is the focus of the discussion and there is no distinction being made.

1. 57  Ed Brill http://www.edbrill.com | 10/6/2006 1:32:00 PM

   @56 "curious"? Shouldn't be -- the focus of this release is the major innovations coming as a function of moving to the Eclipse platform. The inclusion of a "regular" or "basic" or whatever word marketing decides on version of the Notes client is intended primarily to assist with customer decisions around upgrading (hardware readiness and user readiness).

   @55 can't answer all these yet.

1. 58  David Bell  | 10/6/2006 2:12:10 PM

   @55 - I think "classic" probably describes it better than "regular".

   The notes plug-in can tell if it is running inside the framework and that can be extended to applications to programmatically determine their environment.

   From the Designer 7 Help:

   @IsEmbeddedInsideWCT

   Indicates whether any part of the current Notes session is embedded inside of Workplace client.

   Note: This @function is new with Release 7.

   Syntax

   @IsEmbeddedInsideWCT

   Return value

   flag Boolean

   Returns 1 (True) if any Notes content is open inside Workplace client (even bookmarks)

   Returns 0 (False) if this is a standalone Notes environment, or if in the current session, no Notes content is open inside Workplace client

   Usage

   This function allows you to globally enable or disable Notes UI elements depending on whether or not the Notes content is being viewed from within Workplace client.

   You cannot use this function in Web applications.

   Language cross-reference

   IsEmbeddedInsideWCT property of the LotusScript NotesUIWorkspace class

1. 59  Dave Madison  | 10/6/2006 3:14:29 PM

   When did Outlook first have this feature? I don't recall what version.

1. 60  Charles Robinson http://cubert-codepoet.blogspot.com | 10/6/2006 4:28:53 PM

   @57 - I understand that, and that focus is extremely obvious. Would it be safe to assume that all the Eclipse-based features we keep seeing will also be in the classic client, and that the look and feel of the classic client will match the Eclipse one? Those are my big areas of concern. I've been showing my users and management Hannover information for months and I don't want to lead them down a completely false path and set grossly inaccurate expectations.

1. 61  Charles Robinson http://cubert-codepoet.blogspot.com | 10/6/2006 4:31:45 PM

   @59 - MS released this feature in Office 95.

1. 62  Ed Brill http://www.edbrill.com | 10/6/2006 6:11:46 PM

   @60 no, the "classic" client will be a subset of the new features. Many of the new features are available because of the Eclipse foundation, so they can't be made available in the "classic" client. The planned upgrade path is Notes 7 or Notes 6.x to the Eclipse client. The "classic" client is not intended to be the broadly deployed version of Notes "Hannover". What's the concern?

   @59/61 while true, Outlook's built-in editor didn't have this feature then....or ever?? I am sure it surfaces if Word is the mail edtior, but this wasn't default until later versions of Outlook.

   @58 Cheers David, I knew the info was out there.

1. 63  Rod Stauffer  | 10/6/2006 6:20:24 PM

   Catch-up or not, a step forward is a step forward. The red squiggles look good to me.

   To avoid "defining" the same word twice, any chance the user's custom dictionary can be shared between the Sametime and Notes clients? Would be a nice feature vs. a "must have", but had to ask. ;-)

1. 64  stephen hood  | 10/7/2006 8:02:46 AM

   @59/62

   It wasn't the default in Outlook 2000 and not sure about 2003 since I never upgraded.

   If you do use Word for e-mail now your left wondering why the squiggly doesn't work in Tasks, notes and everywhere else in Outlook.

   Another inconsistent interface from MS :)

   At least that's the case for Outlook 2000.

1. 65  Bob Congdon http://www.bobcongdon.net/blog | 10/7/2006 12:45:23 PM

   @62 / @64: I'm not sure about earlier Outlook releases but Outlook 2007's built-in editor does spell check inline as you type in mail messages, tasks, calendar entries, etc.

   In Outlook Web Access 2007, you don't get immediate feedback as you type but if you click on spellcheck, it highlights misspelled words in the same way. Right-click to see suggested alternatives.

1. 66  Flemming Riis  | 10/7/2006 5:38:19 PM

   Does the spellcheck work in webaccess also ?

1. 67  stephen hood  | 10/8/2006 12:06:02 AM

   @65 Hannover will remove the need for Office and by extension Outlook, so it's a moot point in this case. But thanks for the update.

1. 68  Ben Langhinrichs http://www.GeniiSoft.com/showcase.nsf/GeniiBlog | 10/9/2006 5:12:34 AM

   Outlook 2003 has this as an option, but not turned on by default. I don't think it was available at all in Outlook 2000.

   I think it is very important that IBM keep adding these sorts of features. Thanks!

1. 69  Charles Robinson http://cubert-codepoet.blogspot.com | 10/9/2006 2:33:57 PM

   @62 - My concern is mostly based on conjecture that stems from the lack of information about system requirements for Hannover. Some people have said that the Eclipse edition will likely need significantly more memory than the classic one. Many of our users' computers are struggling with R7, and with the projections I have seen they will need upgrades to perform well for Hannover. However, since we don't have any system requirements for Hannover we can't budget hardware upgrades.

   To my earlier point, there has been no information shared about what is going to be delivered with the Hannover classic client. While it is understandable and reasonable that the classic client is only going to have a subset of the Eclipse features, this is the first time I've heard it stated publicly. Now it's a matter of waiting until someone decides to tell us what is going to be available in each edition.

1. 70  Henry Lee  | 10/10/2006 8:26:14 AM

   Well, I've tried this spelling check feature for several weeks, to tell the truth, it's far from perfect...even from what they do in MS Word. Maybe people will see it in the coming Beta1, but in a tester's view, it's just a little better than none in the current milestone. Of course, I trust our developers, I just think that we need more time in every tiny feature before users see them~~