Presentation from the MN Lotus Notes User Group now online

October 6 2007

I've posted my presentation from Wednesday's Minneapolis user group meeting online on slideshare.net.



You can also peruse the meeting notes, posted by John Smart on the user group website.

Any questions let me know -- for now, I'm off to Milano, Roma, Paris, and Düsseldorf/Köln -- should be a great week!

Ed Brill Highland Park, IL USA Category:  Notes and Domino 8  Add/View Comments [19]

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  1. 1  Mika Heinonen http://www.siipi.com/mika | 10/7/2007 3:49:48 PM

    There were 2 interesting points for me in your presentation:

    1) DAW will use Web 2.0 in RNext

    2) There will be a attachment consolidation feature in RNext

    Regarding 1), Web 2.0 was originally defined as: "Web 2.0 is the business revolution in the computer industry caused by the move to the internet as platform, and an attempt to understand the rules for success on that new platform."

    That's something I've been preached for years, move everything to web. There's still too many OS dependand business applications. Domino is the best choice to implement Web 2.0.

    Concerning 2), that's something Lotus Quickr does already today. But the announcement sounds like this will be a native feature of RNext, will Quick be part of Notes/Domino in Rnext? That would for sure be cool, as Quickr comes to it's full power only in a Notes/Domino environment.

  1. 2  Ed Brill http://www.edbrill.com | 10/7/2007 4:07:34 PM

    @1

    Point 1: I think you mean DWA. DWA has used some of the Web 2.0 technologies (such as AJAX) since its inception (even before there was a term AJAX). So this is just an extension of that existing roadmap. For customers who want to go all web, that is certainly an option.

    Point 2: No, Quickr won't be part of Domino "next". The attachment feature is a bit different -- Quickr doesn't store even a single copy of the attachment in a Notes mailbox. The new Domino server feature will store a single copy of the attachment in the shared repository.

  1. 3  Jonathan Griep  | 10/8/2007 1:33:28 PM

    Hi Ed,

    Very interesting slide deck. Can you provide more info what is meant by the "Web 2.0 design framework" for DWA Next? Does this mean that it will utilize a design framework available to developers/business partners?

  1. 4  Charles Robinson http://cubert-codepoet.blogspot.com | 10/8/2007 1:57:28 PM

    @2 - The attachment storage will be extremely welcome. I was steering a client towards Exivity but now I'll wait. :)

  1. 5  Mika Heinonen http://www.siipi.com/mika | 10/8/2007 2:28:08 PM

    @2 Hmm, that sounds like my suggestion some time ago on Mary's blog, when I was talking about MD5/CRC32 attachment unique identity detection and stuff :) But I don't care if it was my idea or someone else's, all what matters that it will be implemented!

  1. 6  Ed Brill http://www.edbrill.com | 10/8/2007 3:19:21 PM

    @3 Good question, let me see what the specific intent of that bullet is.

  1. 7  David Bell  | 10/8/2007 6:08:09 PM

    @1 - when you say "originally defined" - to whose definition are you referring ?

    My understanding of Web 2.0 is the transformation of the Internet from small numbers of content creators / large numbers of consumers, to a place where the users become the content creators / managers and they have tools to assist in seeking out and organizing virtual communities around topics of interest (commonly referred to as social software or social networking).

  1. 8  Mika Heinonen http://www.siipi.com/mika | 10/8/2007 10:39:04 PM

    @7 I was referreing to Tim O'Reilly: { Link }

  1. 9  Randall Shimizu  | 10/9/2007 12:18:52 AM

    I liked the presentation Ed. The only problem is that the presentation would not display in full screen mode in Firefox. So I was forced to use IE..Grrrr.!! So I sent a email to slideshare.

  1. 10  Nathan T. Freeman http://nathan.lotus911.com | 10/9/2007 10:52:17 AM

    @5 - Domino has done single-instance attachments for something like a decade now. It's just that a lot of people didn't like the implementation of SCOS.

    The new stuff is to SCOS as Amgr is to Chronos. It's an evolution terms of the delivered feature, but a massive rethink on the underlying code.

  1. 11  Charles Robinson http://cubert-codepoet.blogspot.com | 10/9/2007 12:15:22 PM

    @10 - Domino has SCOS, but it does not do single-instance attachments. If I have shared mail enabled and send 5 people an e-mail with an attachment, that entire message body -- including the attachment -- gets stored once. If one of those people does a reply to all and includes the same attachment, that message is also stored with *another* copy of the attachment. So Domino shared mail does keep only one copy of each message (including attachments) but it is blind to the possibility that attachments might be stored multiple times.

    It sounds like they're working toward making it intelligent enough to only keep one copy of the attachment. In that regard I suppose it could be considered evolutionary.

    @Ed - You can count me as one of the people confused about the overlap of this feature with Quickr. I thought Quickr would store a copy of the attachment in a central repository. I'll go ahead and admit I haven't read through the marketing material or watched the demo videos, so it could already be clearly stated somewhere.

  1. 12  Nathan T. Freeman http://nathan.lotus911.com | 10/9/2007 1:09:07 PM

    @11 - Quickr is a user-managed document repository. The single-instance stuff is basically a low-level API storage strategy. It's totally invisible at the UI or even the LS/Java level.

  1. 13  Ed Brill http://www.edbrill.com | 10/9/2007 1:12:07 PM

    @11 Quickr doesn't store even a single copy of the attachment in the Notes/Domino environment when the option to put an e-mail attachment into a Quickr store is used.

    I am not sure whether this particular Quickr feature is enough for someone to want to buy Quickr, vs. putting a feature that addresses similar concerns. Quickr is part of a bigger decision on leveraging collaborative team spaces, with this as one component. Every Domino customer has a need to help manage attachments in their messaging environments.

  1. 14  Charles Robinson http://cubert-codepoet.blogspot.com | 10/9/2007 2:18:01 PM

    @13 - I'm even more confused now, but I'll go read rather than clog up your blog with the questions. :)

  1. 15  Ed Brill http://www.edbrill.com | 10/9/2007 2:22:35 PM

    Feel free to e-mail the questions offline then...I think this is hard since the Domino "next" capability is still unannounced so details are light.

  1. 16  David Bell  | 10/9/2007 2:38:06 PM

    @11/13 - I would position the Quickr feature as a convenience rather than specifically as an attachment manager.

    It really is just preventing the user from having to do both email and Quickr access to achieve the end result of putting the attachment somewhere where people can get it, and sending them a reference to it. Otherwise the user has to access two applications, save the attachment then copy / paste the URL into the email they're writing.

  1. 17  Rune Carlsen http://www.rune.no | 10/11/2007 6:30:14 AM

    Ed,

    do you know if Lotus Traveler will come with support for RADIUS authentication?

    best regards,

    Rune Carlsen

  1. 18  Ed Brill http://www.edbrill.com | 10/11/2007 4:05:56 PM

    @17 Rune, I don't think so. Haven't been asked that before.